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Pamela Isley | Poison Ivy ([personal profile] chlorophylliac) wrote2012-09-05 09:41 pm

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[It's been a long while since Ivy last surfaced on the Barge network. She's sitting on deck, one wall of the greenhouse at her back; her mood's taken a swing for the contemplative. Or rather, a swing for the 'let's talk about plants so I don't threaten you all with the ludicrously OP superpowers I totally have now, thanks T'Pol'.]

Nikolai Vavilov.

No, I don't anticipate anyone knowing the name. He was a Soviet botanist and geneticist, most famously credited with Vavilov Centers - the eight geographical regions he identified as the origin points for the human domestication of crop plants. He was also an academic colleague of William Bateson, who I hope at least some of you know was first on Earth to use 'genetics' to refer to the study of heredity.

His ideas didn't go down well with Stalin. Naturally, his ideology had no time for the notion that a living thing could be innately superior to its siblings - genetics was the science of fascism, at the time. He was alternately marginalised and blamed for massive food shortages, not least by a former protégé who invented a more palatable theory.

[She pauses for thought.]

Vavilov died in prison. Of malnutrition, ironically. But that's not my point.

His other legacy to the world was one of the planet's first seedbanks. He had collected almost half a million seeds and roots from across the globe in the hope of making that diversity easily available to his successors, and perhaps to protect those species from the predations of an increasingly hostile, polluted world.

[Her tone's darkened and a moment she looks like she's about to derail into something angrier and less educational, but her brow smooths out and she goes on.]

The Soviets didn't recognize its significance, of course. Even as they were emptying out their museums, they had no idea that Hitler was more interested in the real treasure hidden in Leningrad. When the city was besieged, they didn't even try to protect it. Twelve scientists - unsupported by their government, followers of a man already dying in prison - these men took it on themselves to guard the bank for over two years.

Surrounded by tens of thousands of seeds they knew to be nutritious, nine of them voluntarily starved to death.

[She sounds about as impressed by this as Ivy will ever be by the self-sacrifice of a male human, i.e. 'not actively disgusted'. The vines around her wrists shift and writhe as if they're fidgeting.]

It isn't widely known. One small anecdote in a greater story - but what if things had been different, I wonder. If they hadn't died, but killed, in defence of the riches of the Earth. Not martyrs, but guardians.  Would history have marked them as villains, or elevated them as heroes?

[She gives the camera a look which suggests she already has some strong ideas about the answer, and then her communicator switches off.]

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My abilities have been restored.
love_slave: (zev - listening)

[personal profile] love_slave 2012-09-05 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
What happened to those seeds? [She knows none of the names here, not even Hitler. Except that apparently people don't like him. So she's going for what she does understand.]
love_slave: (zev - wondering)

[personal profile] love_slave 2012-09-05 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Why was Valivov blamed for the food shortages?
Edited 2012-09-05 21:23 (UTC)

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truth_is_cold: (rhade - what is this shit?)

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[personal profile] truth_is_cold 2012-09-05 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
[Welp, there are about 200 places that this post hits home. He doesn't know whether or not to comment on it. He wants to, but he senses a person teetering at the edge of a tirade.

It's not as though he hasn't had plenty of his own. Ultimately, he does decide to say something.]

I suspect that they would have been villains to someone, either way. And especially the way that would push a statist agenda.
truth_is_cold: (rhade - orly)

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[personal profile] truth_is_cold 2012-09-05 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That is true, and no, I don't. But, I don't think a government would care about the consequences of their actions or what the intention of the protectors was so long as they incited loyalty and pride. [That's been his experience, anyway.] It's another thing for a single person to look on someone's acts with admiration rather than a vapid horde.

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notiaraincluded: (arms folded w/o sunglasses)

[personal profile] notiaraincluded 2012-09-05 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
[Luke vaguely remembers Ivy from his previous stay. Mainly that she's got a real THING for plants and she's an Inmate.]

Yeah, most of those names were lost on me but I'd consider those scientists to be heroes. They gave their lives protecting something they felt was bigger and more important than themselves.
notiaraincluded: (bored/thinking)

[personal profile] notiaraincluded 2012-09-05 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
So, instead of just protecting the seed bank, what if they'd gone out and attacked the enemy....likely pissing them off and drawing even more attention to what they're trying to protect?

My guess is that they'd have a lot fewer seeds as a result.

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[personal profile] looksfine 2012-09-05 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I am curious as to why the seeds were collected and stored, rather than planted. What purpose do they serve outside of the soil?
looksfine: (a body like this?)

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[personal profile] looksfine 2012-09-05 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I possess not only the concept but a copy of the main Guardian archives within my database.

Your analogy is accepted. Did the scientists succeed in their mission?

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wedonot: (You'll be standing all alone.)

[personal profile] wedonot 2012-09-05 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a little bit difficult to argue the other side of things on such a hypothetical when the people they were protecting the seeds from were the Nazis. Anyone who stood up against them was considered a hero, I sincerely doubt them taking a more aggressive approach would have vilified them in the eyes of the public.
wedonot: (Look at how sciencey we're being.)

[personal profile] wedonot 2012-09-05 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it had just as much to do with the survival of their people as it had to do with botanical history.

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darknessb4me: (destiny)

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2012-09-06 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
Martyrdom is overrated.
wecanavenge: (I don't have to tell you anything.)

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[personal profile] wecanavenge 2012-09-06 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like to see the extent of them.
wecanavenge: (Do you think it's safe to breathe?)

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[personal profile] wecanavenge 2012-09-06 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't. [And he doesn't feel like asking. B|] On my way.

[And a few minutes later, he'll be tapping at her door. Pls don't accidentally kill him Ivy.]

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with_discipline: (So uh you okay there?)

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[personal profile] with_discipline 2012-09-06 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
The seeds survived. [It's not a question, she's peeking at other conversation.] I would have thought the fate of their protectors would be less important, so long as the seeds themselves were not destroyed.
with_discipline: (This is an eyebrow arch)

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[personal profile] with_discipline 2012-09-06 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
[Man she is just arching an eyebrow. THAT'S ALWAYS THE ISSUE YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE IT UP WHENEVER IT SUITS asdfjkh.]

Do you believe they should have killed others in defense of the seeds?

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