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Pamela Isley | Poison Ivy ([personal profile] chlorophylliac) wrote2012-09-05 09:41 pm

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[It's been a long while since Ivy last surfaced on the Barge network. She's sitting on deck, one wall of the greenhouse at her back; her mood's taken a swing for the contemplative. Or rather, a swing for the 'let's talk about plants so I don't threaten you all with the ludicrously OP superpowers I totally have now, thanks T'Pol'.]

Nikolai Vavilov.

No, I don't anticipate anyone knowing the name. He was a Soviet botanist and geneticist, most famously credited with Vavilov Centers - the eight geographical regions he identified as the origin points for the human domestication of crop plants. He was also an academic colleague of William Bateson, who I hope at least some of you know was first on Earth to use 'genetics' to refer to the study of heredity.

His ideas didn't go down well with Stalin. Naturally, his ideology had no time for the notion that a living thing could be innately superior to its siblings - genetics was the science of fascism, at the time. He was alternately marginalised and blamed for massive food shortages, not least by a former protégé who invented a more palatable theory.

[She pauses for thought.]

Vavilov died in prison. Of malnutrition, ironically. But that's not my point.

His other legacy to the world was one of the planet's first seedbanks. He had collected almost half a million seeds and roots from across the globe in the hope of making that diversity easily available to his successors, and perhaps to protect those species from the predations of an increasingly hostile, polluted world.

[Her tone's darkened and a moment she looks like she's about to derail into something angrier and less educational, but her brow smooths out and she goes on.]

The Soviets didn't recognize its significance, of course. Even as they were emptying out their museums, they had no idea that Hitler was more interested in the real treasure hidden in Leningrad. When the city was besieged, they didn't even try to protect it. Twelve scientists - unsupported by their government, followers of a man already dying in prison - these men took it on themselves to guard the bank for over two years.

Surrounded by tens of thousands of seeds they knew to be nutritious, nine of them voluntarily starved to death.

[She sounds about as impressed by this as Ivy will ever be by the self-sacrifice of a male human, i.e. 'not actively disgusted'. The vines around her wrists shift and writhe as if they're fidgeting.]

It isn't widely known. One small anecdote in a greater story - but what if things had been different, I wonder. If they hadn't died, but killed, in defence of the riches of the Earth. Not martyrs, but guardians.  Would history have marked them as villains, or elevated them as heroes?

[She gives the camera a look which suggests she already has some strong ideas about the answer, and then her communicator switches off.]

[Private to Erik; Text]

My abilities have been restored.
notiaraincluded: (arms folded with sunglasses)

[personal profile] notiaraincluded 2012-09-05 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Didn't stutter.
looksfine: (uh-oh?)

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[personal profile] looksfine 2012-09-05 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps if I rephrase:

Even if they had caused the deaths of others in the defense of the seeds, there is still cause for History to see them as heroes because they fought for what was right. Like soldiers of war.
looksfine: (Surprise)

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[personal profile] looksfine 2012-09-05 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
For what?
looksfine: (at the console)

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[personal profile] looksfine 2012-09-05 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
If that is all, then you are welcome.
wedonot: (Look at how sciencey we're being.)

[personal profile] wedonot 2012-09-05 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it had just as much to do with the survival of their people as it had to do with botanical history.
wedonot: (Rly.)

[personal profile] wedonot 2012-09-05 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
[Do you and Erik discuss how irritating it is to talk to him when you're on these soapboxes?]

Discussing someone's motives is fairly vital to understanding a situation like this, however hypothetical.
wedonot: (So are you doing anything Saturday?)

[personal profile] wedonot 2012-09-05 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
[You'd want to push him back off when he gets all killing will not bring you peace on you both.]

No. I'd personally rather no one feel the need to kill anybody, but if you're trying to use them as an example of like minded people to yourself, I think you're misrepresenting them. It is possible to care about the environment as well as mankind.
truth_is_cold: (rhade - pondering)

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[personal profile] truth_is_cold 2012-09-06 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
I am admittedly little biased, both in that their research helped give rise to my kind, and that I've seen how the names of people that fought for one cause had their work corrupted hundreds of years later by both sides. One side using them as an example of extremism when everything that was done was necessary, one side using them as an example of their right to subjugate others. [Which is where his group hatred comes from.]

I have difficulty in viewing things as acts of "evil" or "good" but I strongly suspect they might have been perceived as villains, no matter the necessity. [He's also kind of a cynic.]
darknessb4me: (destiny)

[personal profile] darknessb4me 2012-09-06 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
Martyrdom is overrated.
truth_is_cold: (rhade - tux broody)

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[personal profile] truth_is_cold 2012-09-06 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
Because most people don't know what it is to believe in something so much, that you would give up your life, your family, your friends in pursuit of it. Nor do they want to try to understand.

In their position, I likely would fight, and I would kill, and I wouldn't care that I was seen as a villain. [Okay, he does care because it fucks up his descendent's good name, but he has to deal because it had to happen.]
love_slave: (pic#3617074)

[personal profile] love_slave 2012-09-06 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
I assume you collect plants and clippings, too?

I could help you. I don't have an inmate right now, but because the Lexx was made in the League of 20,000 worlds I have a lot of settings in the CES. [Thankfully none of them that are cyberpunk horrors will come through because no civilization.]
love_slave: (zev - eye narrow)

[personal profile] love_slave 2012-09-06 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
I would like the company, too. I want to see if I can roll again. [Because the only time she did it was in the Gotham park and she felt loopy and she wants to try and do it sober.]
love_slave: (zev - bossing stanley)

[personal profile] love_slave 2012-09-06 09:45 am (UTC)(link)
Whenever you like. I'm not doing anything right now. [She hasn't seen a lot of those worlds as they should be herself, so she's interested in trying.]

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